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devonus durga
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Tebu Gan
In EVE, having a better ship, and in some cases bigger ship, than the one you are going up against will win you the encounter. In equal matchups between ships, it comes down to the persons skills. And then you have your Fleets (squads) coordinating together to take down enemies. The biggest thing though for both EVE and Dust, is the competition, you play to win.
When it comes to competing against another person, you look for every way possible to win. I don't think there is any such thing as a cheap tactics or FOTM. We are here to compete, we are here to win. In Dust how is it that you interact with other players? There are Red dots and Blue dots! Dust has a hint of RPG elements to it, but it IS a competitive team based shooter.
People go into the FOTM, not because they are scrubs! Because they, like anyone else, WANT TO WIN. Like back when everyone was running around in a Cal Logi, that suit was the ****. Even then people were crying FOTM and hating them for it. You know why you feel that hate, because there is an imbalance between your choices, and their choices. It has nothing to do with the person that chooses the FOTM, no doubt you would feel differently if that had been your first choice. People don't choose the FOTM to be ******* dicks, they choose it because they want to win. [b wrote:That is the POINT of the game![/b]
The fault lies fully with CCP, and no one else. People get so happy when something gets nerfed, and they make sure to let FOTM chasers know. Oh sorry, your suit sucks now, how does it feel? Oh, so what, you were jealous, and now you have to rub it in a players face, when it was CCP who allowed these imbalances!
And people LOVE to bring this up in Respec discussions. Here is what is happening though.
Player A chooses gimped weapon
Player B chooses FOTM
Player B murders Player A for several months, until CCP makes another crack at balancing.
Player B gets nerfed Player A and B on more equal footing.
So, you wouldn't want an FOTM chaser to get a respec, because they made you suffer for 3 months. So they should suffer too. Does anyone else see how childish this all is. THE PLAYERS HAVE NEVER BEEN AT FAULT FOR DOING ANY WRONG. They just play to win, which is how you SHOULD play. So people did their homework, and choose the most powerful suit. Sorry you didn't do the same?
FOTM has no place in a respec discussion, I mean jesus how often can a FOTM player be an FOTM player. After they nerf them, they cease to be FOTM, and now must grind out new suits. WHICH AT THIS POINT THEY NO DOUBT HAVE DONE. Is everyone that went into the new rail rifle and combat rifle FOTM chasers! Should they be fair and just put down their shiny toys in place of something on your level!
Your reasoning is well though out, but it also shows why no respec is needed.
People will grind out the fotm suit if that's what they want, if I wanted to run the form suit I would have to grind it out. Its equal footing, everyone has to grind it out unless the current fotm happens to be something their already skilled into.
Now let's give people respec. Well I have 3m sp, OK I can go for the best fotm suit I can, which will probably be the first to get nerfed . Now let's give someone with 10m sp, they spec out the top two fotm suits, and its even longer before both their suits get fixed. It increases with sp.
A respec isn't needed, for medium suits anyways, immediately. Chances are if you have less then 10m sp you can see the imbalance that will come of this, and the stomping that will in sue. Those with 10m sp+, cha ces are, though your suit may not be as powerful as it is now, 1 or 2 of the suits your specced into will remain as effective, if not more so. So there is no need fr an immediate respec game balance wise.
Economicly speaking, a respec is also not needed. Players will run fotm regardless of if they have the sp for it or not. They will stick what sp they can into it, and either grind out the faction version, or spend aur. Either way most players can gain access to the new suit they want in a reasonable amount of time, without a respec, and if players by aur versions, t helps the game.
And then there is the balance and testing. With so many new suits and changes coming, a medium respec will hurt the game and the time to achieve balance. Roughly 1/4 of the player base. Belongs to large corps well known for their use of fotm, and as such a full respec will result in some suits not being tested properly, and will delay the time to proper game balance.does t caldari suit need a buff? Or is the issue because gallente suits need a nerf? Such decisions are difficult without adequate numbers across the spectrum of suits, and though the current suits are not at their intended place, thuer relatively balanced and a good number of players are spread across them. All a respec will do is result ina large number of players moving to certain suits and will lead to an imbalance in statistics and testing, and will delay the proper implementation of fixes.
That's half the reason nerfs, usually come down so hard IMO. Be cause everyone is using it the statistics of that item vs another are imbalanced. Is the rail rifle as op as it seems? Or is it the fact that 3/4 of the assault player base using it that makes it seem that way?
You have waited this long, a few months more while they balance things won't hurt. And your right the fault does lie with CCP on the current imbalances. So, to fix those imbalances, they need time, and people playing the things that need to be balanced. Giving a respec just will slow that process down. So if you want a balanced game, clamouring for a respec isn't going to help it.
And also, in eve, you might have the biggest badest ship, and so will beat me, but I can take my miner out until I can afford and have the skills to fight you. There is no equivalent of that he so the comparison. Is null and void.
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devonus durga
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Posted - 2014.01.23 15:01:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Quote:A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.
There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win.
The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevents him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant.
Yes, its called ethics. By that notion, the us is scrubs, for not nuking everyone. Definition noted, lulled at, and discarded.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 15:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:People seem to think dust is real life, and not a video game
No, I know its a game. So is football, should I poison the cowgirls? GO EAGLES!!?.... next year -sigh-
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Posted - 2014.01.23 15:08:00 -
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Also, I think all of dust needs to go watch sword art online, the lot of you are like the pk players there. Its just a game, I don't have to be nice or civil, blah blah blah,
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:28:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:devonus durga wrote:Bethhy wrote:Quote:A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.
There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win.
The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevents him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant. Yes, its called ethics. By that notion, the us is scrubs, for not nuking everyone. Definition noted, lulled at, and discarded. Fella, I think you missed a lot of the points I was trying to make. Something you need to understand, there will always be FOTM chasers. As long as this is a competitive game, people will always be looking for the next best thing. A single respec isn't going to flip the whole world upside down. Some will go into the FOTM, yeah. A lot will go right back into what they had. Some will go for something totally new. I find it foolish to assume that every single person will go into the FOTM to be competitive. It takes all kinds of suits to make a PC match result in a win! We will still need heavies, tanks, logis, slayers, scouts, ect ect ect. Something else, I really don't think CCP listens as heavily as you think to feedback. Yes they will take in issues player bring up, and then look to find why there might or might not be an issue there. I don't think it has anything to do with player feedback, if anything players are warning of the next FOTM, yet CCP does nothing to change it. As for respecs, they are needed. This game is becoming stagnant, and needs a little bump. The EVE comparison, was meant to only compare what it means to PVP combat. Yeah I know you can take a miner out and PVE, but hey, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON DUST. What you can do is PVP. And Ethics. You call it Ethics. You know, the early colonist and soldiers feared the Native Americans (my people). They were big on honor in combat, so standing in clear view of one another was the way to go. No sneaky bullshit, all ethical. The natives, they used camo, surprise, deceit. They would slit your throat while you slept, never giving you the chance to fight back. The warriors, they fought with honor too. They understood well, that a superior force was only as superior as their tactics. That is what dust currently is. Play to win. So by your reasoning, we should identify what is OP, and all together, not spec into it? Are you that DAFT! Ethics has no place in new eden!  Yeah yea, you want pve blah blah blah. Guess what, THIS is what you have. It's not changing anytime soon.
I was going to comment, then realized I was stooping to your level.
And we are not discussing what is needed for PC, only 20GǦ of the player base does PC. You go to a pub, and its all fotm. Ar have you had your head buried in the sand since the 5x sp event started? 50% of the player vase is using fotm. I'll start counting rail kills vs everything else if you want me to back it up with numbers. That is with no respec, respec will just make all the try hards worse.
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